One opinion of what can we learn from the Markus Kaarma trial

kaarmaTeach your children to respect the property of others. We all know kids don’t always follow the rules and just like drunk driving the consequences can be deadly. Some things should be stressed more than others, trespassing in Montana needs to be one of them because 90% of homes have guns.

Don’t plan to kill an intruder, plan to defend you and your family from imminent danger. 

Call the authorities. Unless you are directly being threatened and need to use lethal force, don’t shoot blindly!

In this case the thieves had apparently targeted his home, whether previous thieves told them about the location and its treasures or because of “bait”. Your property should not be considered bait regardless. Using that analogy, you had better build that fence, get a guard dog, install security doors & lights as well as bar up and tint your windows because this case could mean property seen from the street could become an invitation to bad guys.

Listen to the Kaarma verdict discussion with Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association. Scroll directly to 23:12 for Gary’s interview.

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When all of the bad guys hand in their guns, I’ll register mine

mtgoguncontrolWhen all of the bad guys hand in their guns, I’ll willingly support legislation for universal background checks & submit to said checks for every gun purchase and sale I make.

I would do this knowing that in such a fairy tale world that this might help make the world a safer place, as long as everybody follows the rules, oh wait…

Any and all gun control laws only apply to law abiding citizens. The idea that those in favor of more gun control believe that bad guys will suddenly start following the rules is ludicrous. To their credit I will say that if you are stupid enough to believe this, you shouldn’t own guns. Please sell all of your guns to us and move to a state that requires universal background checks.

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Green Decoys, Public Land Transfer, Hunting, Shooting & Recreational Access

We all get frustrated trying to figure out where and what we can shoot and how to navigate eligible hunting and shooting areas. Once we find them, they are cherished and top secret.

The way our system currently is, nearly one swipe of the pen by a federal executive could change restrictions in a few seconds under federal ownership. If the state legislature that we voted for and influence had more control over more lands, would we not have more influence in the future use of our lands and its access? Can’t we handle this?

Our ability to access hunting, fishing, off-road travel and hiking areas becomes more elusive. Some wildlife and hunting groups, foundations and organizations use that to their advantage to build memberships and push their agenda. They may claim they are protecting your rights and want to increase access and help protect future hunts of a game species. What they may not share is that they may support gun control inadvertently by a lack of a position on primary gun control issues and say safe words such “We support the 2nd Amendment”. Unfortunately they may see universal background checks as an acceptable loss as many liberals around the country, at least during political season.

Shit or git off the pot. Take a position on specific issues or risk losing those of us who care.

Don’t be attracted to groups just because they use the words “rocky mountain”,  “foundation”, “hunting”, “conservation”, “federation”, “alliance” or “sportsmen’s” in the name of their groups. A question that weeds out some of these groups is “How do you feel about universal background checks for private firearms transactions?” If they blow you off, be suspicious. They may be on the guns are only for hunting train or they may think that you need a background check because all of the bad guys are doing it these days on their planet.

The videos below are examples of what the supporters of federal lands being obtained by the state are promoting. Are they big business trying to obtain land and is that necessarily a bad thing to consider if well regulated versus federal takeover of the entire state?






Watch this interesting video and form your own opinion. Is the idea polarizing or should we consider a serious discussion about how to build and manage a better program?


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POLL: Should federal agencies have to get permission from sheriffs before arrests, searches & seizures?

– 12/12/14

New:  Accusations and Answers.  Accusations made by opponents about Sheriffs First and answers to those accusations.

“Sheriffs First” model legislation
This “Sheriffs First” bill would make it a state crime for a federal officer to arrest, search, or seize in the state (Montana in this example) without first getting the advanced, written permission of the elected county sheriff of the county in which the event is to take place.  Locally-elected sheriffs are accountable to the people and are supposed to the the chief law enforcement officer of the county, bar none.  This bill puts teeth into the expectation that federal agents must operate with the approval of the sheriff, or not at all.  It also gives the local sheriff tools necessary to protect the people of his county, and their constitutional rights.  There are exceptions in the legislation for “hot pursuit”, U.S. customs and border patrol, corrupt sheriffs, and more.

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INTRODUCED BY ________________________



1.       Purpose.  It is the intent of the legislature to ensure maximum cooperation between federal employees and local law enforcement authorities; to ensure that federal employees who carry out arrests, searches, and seizures in this state receive the best local knowledge and expertise available; and to prevent misadventure affecting Montana citizens and their rights that results from lack of cooperation or communication between federal employees operating in Montana and properly constituted local law enforcement authorities.

2.        Declaration.  The elected sheriff of each county is the senior law enforcement officer of that county and is the most authoritative law enforcement official in the county.  The primary duties of the sheriff are to keep the peace in the county and to secure and protect the liberties and security of the residents of the county.

3.       County sheriff’s permission for federal arrests, searches, and seizures — exceptions.  (1)  A federal employee who is not designated by Montana law as a Montana peace officer may not make an arrest, search, or seizure in this state without the written permission of the sheriff or designee of the sheriff of the county in which the arrest, search, or seizure will occur unless:
(a)  the arrest, search, or seizure will take place on a federal enclave for which jurisdiction has been actively ceded to the United States of America by a Montana statute;
(b)  the federal employee witnesses the commission of a crime the nature of which requires an immediate arrest;
(c)  the arrest, search, or seizure is under the provisions of 46-6-411 (close pursuit) or 46-6-412 (customs and immigration);
(d)  the intended subject of the arrest, search, or seizure is an employee of the sheriff’s office or is an elected county or state officer; or
(e)  the federal employee has probable cause to believe that the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure has close connections with the sheriff, which connections are likely to result in the subject being informed of the impending arrest, search, or seizure.

(2)  The county sheriff or designee of the sheriff may refuse permission for any reason that the sheriff or designee considers sufficient.

(3)  A federal employee who desires to exercise a subsection (1)(d) exception shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general for the arrest, search, or seizure unless the resulting delay in obtaining the permission would probably cause serious harm to one or more individuals or to a community or would probably cause flight of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure in order to avoid prosecution.  The attorney general may refuse the permission for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient.

(4)  A federal employee who desires to exercise a subsection (1)(e) exception shall obtain the written permission of the Montana attorney general.  The request for permission must include a written statement, under oath, describing the federal employee’s probable cause.  The attorney general may refuse the request for any reason that the attorney general considers sufficient.

(5) (a)  A permission request to the county sheriff or Montana attorney general must contain:
(i)  the name of the subject of the arrest, search, or seizure;
(ii)  a clear statement of probable cause for the arrest, search, or seizure or a federal arrest, search, or seizure warrant that contains a clear statement of probable cause;
(iii)  a description of specific assets, if any, to be searched for or seized;
(iv)  a statement of the date and time that the arrest, search, or seizure is to occur; and
(v)  the address or location where the intended arrest, search, or seizure will be attempted.
(b)  The request may be in letter form, either typed or handwritten, but must be countersigned with the original signature of the county sheriff or designee of the sheriff or by the Montana attorney general, to constitute valid permission.  The permission is valid for 48 hours after it is signed.  The sheriff or attorney general shall keep a copy of the permission request on file.

4.       Remedies.  (1)  An arrest, search, or seizure or attempted arrest, search, or seizure in violation of [section 2] is unlawful, and individuals involved must be prosecuted by the county attorney for kidnapping if an arrest or attempted arrest occurred, for trespass if a search or attempted search occurred, for theft if a seizure or attempted seizure occurred, and for any applicable homicide offense if loss of life occurred.  The individuals involved must also be charged with any other applicable criminal offenses in Title 45.
(2)  To the extent possible, the victims’ rights provisions of Title 46 must be extended to the victim or victims by the justice system persons and entities involved in the prosecution.
(3)  The county attorney has no discretion not to prosecute once a claim of violation of [section 2] has been made by the county sheriff or designee of the sheriff, and failure to abide by this mandate subjects the county attorney to recall by the voters and to prosecution by the attorney general for official misconduct.

5.       Invalid federal laws.  Pursuant to the 10th amendment to the United States constitution and this state’s compact with the other states, the legislature declares that any federal law purporting to give federal employees the authority of a county sheriff in this state is not recognized by and is specifically rejected by this state and is declared to be invalid in this state.

6.       Effective date.  [This act] is effective on passage and approval.

7.       Severability.  If a part of [this act] is invalid, all valid parts that are severable from the invalid part remain in effect. If a part of [this act] is invalid in one or more of its applications, the part remains in effect in all valid applications that are severable from the invalid applications.

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Are Montana Democrats guilty by Democrat party association?

As a gun owner, it must be very difficult to be a member of the democrat party today. Especially in states like Montana.

Once upon a time Montana democratic candidates and politicians could be trusted more to honestly support the 2nd Amendment. This was once due more so to our heritage and the sheer number of constituents who are gun owners in Montana. Those times are fading.

Saying that you support The Second Amendment is no longer enough for most gun owning voters as we’ve seen time and again that is simply not true for you.

democratMontana Democrats like Jon Tester and Steve Bullock often claim to support the Second Amendment, especially in Montana. But they fall very short when the time comes to vote or sign pro gun bills, against the national party agenda. Most will quickly give away your right to undocumented private gun ownership by supporting universal background checks aka universal gun registration. They pounce upon and politically capitalize on tragedies around the country and world to help support a tighter gun control agenda, even at the defiance of gun common sense. They disregard the fact that bad guys will never follow the rules and that these new rules would not have prevented a majority of these tragedies. Even the current NICS system rarely prosecutes bad guys who try to purchase guns through FFL holders.

They attempt to convince you that it is not universal gun registration knowing any system that requires a background check will obviously require a serial number is attached to the check with your name. There is simply no way a system like this could be enforced without it. Have we gotten to a point where our government can be trusted with such absolute power and will you still vote democrat knowing the entire party is in favor of taking your firearms freedoms? Be sure to ask your next choice for office specifically if they support or ACTIVELY OPPOSE universal background checks for private gun sales. How do you feel about it? Leave your comments below or at this Facebook post.

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Montana Active School Shooter Scenario, Observations and Preparation

The single most feared situation for most people with kids is an active shooter scenario in their children’s school. The fact that you can still simply walk right into many Montana schools without detection is very disturbing for most parents. Just like the laws that bad guys don’t comply with, a rule that you are required to check in at the office does nothing to deter a bad guy from mowing down our kids and school staff. Closing down all doors except one entrance does at least channel them into a certain area if the procedures are followed, but then what. Please put down your gun and check in at the office. That should work, right?

“But we’re in Montana, that type of thing doesn’t happen here.” I’m sure if you had the opportunity to ask any of the victims who have suffered these evil encounters the days and weeks before these events, they might say the same thing. More to come…



shootbackdadAsk your child what they think schools should do to help stop active shooters and the majority would probably say “Well duh!, Just shoot back Dad!” Most Montanans love to think that one of the reasons we live here is to help avoid big city chaos of the outside world to some extent. Complacency can quickly become a horrible tragedy.

One of the most frightening possibilities any parent has to consider no matter how remote their location, is an active shooter situation in their children’s school. People go crazy every day and Montana is not immune, especially with legal & illegal drug abuse on the rise. Is it not irresponsible to get answers to some basic questions?

armedstaffBreathe a small sigh of relief if your school has now evolved enough that they allow staff who are ready, willing, able and trained properly to carry a concealed weapon in schools. You are at least protected to some extent if nothing more than a deterrent if posted outside the building such as some schools around the country.

Have you discussed the possibility of a bad guy entering the school with a gun with your child? Are you comfortable with the school security in a worst case scenario or do you just hope to god that nothing ever happens? Have you visited and observed your child’s school for accessibility to a shooter? Can your child’s classroom be quickly and adequately secured to prevent entrance at least to their classroom if shots are heard and panic erupts? How close is their classroom to the open entrance and do they even have time to react? Does the access procedure have enormous holes in it? Does their school practice active shooter drills? These are all direct questions we should be asking our public school officials.

The fact that you can still simply walk right into most schools without resistance is disturbing. This accessibility is unrestricted in many Montana schools. Unfortunately complacency is to blame for many, if not all of these evil situations.

All school shooters to date have one thing in common, the person is mentally ill and breaking the rules, no matter how many rules there are. A piece of paper on the door requiring them to check in first is the last thing on their mind. Be sure to ask a lot of questions of your school administrators no matter how remote your child’s school.

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Does your candidate get it in regard to universal background checks?

After contacting many of our potential representatives to get their position on universal background checks for private firearms transactions, Corey Stapleton was one of the only ones brave enough to respond. He made the following statement on his facebook page.

“Liberals deny History on guns. How does a government disarm its citizens? By tracking and logging which citizens have firearms.. and then ‘something’ happens–a wicked leader gets elected, etc., and suddenly the government is in a position to confiscate the peoples’ ability to defend themselves. Private gun transactions in America must always be allowed without universal background investigations by our government”~ Corey Stapleton

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What is your position on universal background checks for private gun sales?

This direct question has been presented to a number of our Montana representatives with little response so far. All of them say they wholeheartedly support the 2nd Amendment. Unfortunately with the methods employed by powers that be, their definition of the 2nd Amendment changes rapidly depending on political agendas, current events, sponsors and election timing. Can there be compromise around our current firearms freedoms?

This single political issue and which vote you make, has the most dramatic impact on firearms freedom to law abiding private gun owners and collectors. This obviously only applies to those that follow the current laws and regulations because bad guys don’t care about laws, so future restrictions only apply to good guys. One thing all active shooter situations have in common is that they broke the law.

Montanans are fortunate to have a resource that most states do not have which is the Correctional Offender Network Search. This enables anyone to check for an individuals in state felony record making universal background checks unnecessary. A step our representatives should strongly consider pursuing in my opinion is to open up a level of access to Americans to the NICS background check system without having to become an FFL holder.

We must remember that bad guys will always find a way so any requirement only limits law abiding citizens. Feel free to provide your comments or position below or at the Montana Gun Owners Facebook page


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Welcome to Montana Gun Owners

Montana Gun Owners was established in 4/2011. In addition to other local gun websites, this one is designed specifically to service Montanans firearms news needs and classifieds online. Whether gun owners, hunters, trappers or Continue reading “Welcome to Montana Gun Owners”

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